LLMs on the Line: Data Determines Loss-to-Loss Scaling Laws
Prasanna Mayilvahanan, Thaddäus Wiedemer, Sayak Mallick, Matthias Bethge, Wieland Brendel
摘要
Scaling laws guide the development of large language models (LLMs) by offering estimates for the optimal balance of model size, tokens, and compute. More recently, loss-to-loss scaling laws that relate losses across pretraining datasets and downstream tasks have emerged as a powerful tool for understanding and improving LLM performance and generalization. In this work, we investigate which factors most strongly influence loss-to-loss scaling. Our experiments reveal that the pretraining data determines the scaling trend. In contrast, model size, optimization hyperparameters, tokenizer and even significant architectural differences, such as between transformer-based models like Llama and state-space models like Mamba, generally have limited impact. Consequently, practitioners should carefully curate pretraining datasets for optimal downstream performance, while architectures and other settings can be freely optimized for training efficiency.
问问这篇 Paper
智能体会读完全文。
Lune 把这篇 Paper 索引到了每一个公式,引用它的顶会 Paper 也一样。你提问,回答直接引用原文。
引用它的顶会 Paper10
- Dynamic Chunking for End-to-End Hierarchical Sequence ModelingSukjun Hwang, Brandon Wang, Albert GuICLR 2026 · 被引用 76 次
- Scaling Laws for Optimal Data MixturesMustafa Shukor, Louis Béthune, Dan Busbridge, David Grangier 等NeurIPS 2025 · 被引用 54 次
- Learning to See Before Seeing: Demystifying LLM Visual Priors from Language Pre-trainingJunlin Han, Shengbang Tong, David Fan, Yufan Ren 等ICLR 2026 · 被引用 25 次
- Train-before-Test Harmonizes Language Model RankingsGuanhua Zhang, Ricardo Dominguez-Olmedo, Moritz HardtICLR 2026 · 被引用 13 次
- MATH-Beyond: A Benchmark for RL to Expand Beyond the Base ModelPrasanna Mayilvahanan, Ricardo Dominguez-Olmedo, Thaddäus Wiedemer, Wieland BrendelICLR 2026 · 被引用 10 次
它引用的顶会 Paper15
- Measuring Massive Multitask Language UnderstandingDan Hendrycks, Collin Burns, Steven Basart, Andy Zou 等ICLR 2021 · 被引用 7,905 次
- Transformers are SSMs: Generalized Models and Efficient Algorithms Through Structured State Space DualityTri Dao, Albert GuICML 2024 · 被引用 1,407 次
- Measuring Robustness to Natural Distribution Shifts in Image ClassificationRohan Taori, Achal Dave, Vaishaal Shankar, Nicholas Carlini 等NeurIPS 2020 · 被引用 731 次
- Accuracy on the Line: on the Strong Correlation Between Out-of-Distribution and In-Distribution GeneralizationJohn Miller, Rohan Taori, Aditi Raghunathan, Shiori Sagawa 等ICML 2021 · 被引用 323 次
- Data Determines Distributional Robustness in Contrastive Language Image Pre-training (CLIP)Alex Fang, Gabriel Ilharco, Mitchell Wortsman, Yuhao Wan 等ICML 2022 · 被引用 183 次
相关 Paper
- Revisiting the Scaling Properties of Downstream Metrics in Large Language Model TrainingJakub Krajewski, Amitis Shidani, Dan Busbridge, Sam Wiseman 等ICLR 2026 · 被引用 8 次
- A Hitchhiker's Guide to Scaling Law EstimationLeshem Choshen, Yang Zhang, Jacob AndreasICML 2025
- Temporal Scaling Law for Large Language ModelsYizhe Xiong, Xiansheng Chen, Xin Ye, Hui Chen 等EMNLP 2025
- Language models scale reliably with over-training and on downstream tasksSamir Yitzhak Gadre, Georgios Smyrnis, Vaishaal Shankar, Suchin Gururangan 等ICLR 2025 · 被引用 3 次
- Inverse Depth Scaling From Most Layers Being SimilarYizhou Liu, Sara Kangaslahti, Ziming Liu, Jeff GoreICML 2026 · 被引用 4 次
